All great ideas & i think now with your ideas I do have something in mind to say, I really don't want to say I'm depressed because I'm afraid they might use that done the road & call me a "mentally diseased" "apostate".... i love these elders & i know they mean well but since we are having CO visit in few weeks he mentioned he wanted to do a shepherding call cuz I haven't been out in door to door in months, the only hrs I'm reporting is my bible study with my child, since I want to teach him from the bible, i don't use any WT literature, reporting a few hrs a month so I don't draw too much suspition but they notice my decline in hrs.... & that is what prompted questions which I'm avoiding to walk by them
Olivia Wilde
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How to evade questions from elders when you stop going out door to door
by Olivia Wilde indue to circumstances right now i cannot leave permanently the watchtower, however i need honest advice of what to say when elders question me how come im not meeting the group out for door to door & going out in " field service"... what would be proper responses not to draw suspicions since i'm aware of ttatt.. .any serious advice please...
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How to evade questions from elders when you stop going out door to door
by Olivia Wilde indue to circumstances right now i cannot leave permanently the watchtower, however i need honest advice of what to say when elders question me how come im not meeting the group out for door to door & going out in " field service"... what would be proper responses not to draw suspicions since i'm aware of ttatt.. .any serious advice please...
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Olivia Wilde
Due to circumstances right now I cannot leave permanently the watchtower, however I need honest advice of what to say when elders question me how come Im not meeting the group out for door to door & going out in " field service"... what would be proper responses not to draw suspicions since I'm aware of TTATT.. .any serious advice please... -
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JW September broadcasting "this generation"
by Olivia Wilde inthis month on "this generation" reminded me of the movie "book of eli" first scene with eli & carnegie's .
"i need that book ... i'll kill ya.
i'll take the book," threatens carnegie in a face-off in the middle of the street reminiscent of a western shootout.. .
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Crazyguy they are only reading & using Exodus 1 verse 6 to maintain what is a "generation" he didn't read the prior verse (5) for obvious reasons since it would establish the clearly the context as to what is a generation represents.... what is that thing they do?.... oh yes micro quoting.... -
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JW September broadcasting "this generation"
by Olivia Wilde inthis month on "this generation" reminded me of the movie "book of eli" first scene with eli & carnegie's .
"i need that book ... i'll kill ya.
i'll take the book," threatens carnegie in a face-off in the middle of the street reminiscent of a western shootout.. .
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Olivia Wilde
This month on "this Generation" reminded me of the movie "Book of Eli" first scene with Eli & Carnegie's
"I need that book ... I'll kill ya. I'll take the book," threatens Carnegie in a face-off in the middle of the street reminiscent of a Western shootout.
"Why? asks the unemotional Eli. "Why do you want it?"
"I grew up with it. I know its power. If you read it, then so do you. That's why they burned them all after the war," answers Carnegie.
"Just staying alive is an act of faith. Building this town is an even bigger act of faith. But they don't understand that. None of them do. And I don't have the right words to help them. But the book does," says Carnegie. "Imagine, imagine how different, how righteous this little world could be if we had the right words for our faith."
A few scenes later, when Carnegie's senior officer disparages the book, an angry Carnegie explodes.
"It's a weapon ... If we want to rule more than one small ... town, we have to have it. People will come from all over. They will do exactly what I tell them if the words are from the book, (OR TEACH WHAT I WANT IT TO TEACH) " spews Carnegie.
He reflectively mutters, "It has happened before."
In conclusion: Any organization will use any words or scriptures they want to make FIT what they want to perfectly justify how the rest of us should believe it, since they say "only the anointed have the discernment to interpret scriptures" he only read Exodus 1:6 and to say what "a generation" in regards to Jesus saying about the generation seeing the beginning and end of the last days, but now they teach it's an overlapping generations. I guess someone told him that he missed reading the previous verse Exodus 1:5 which talks about those who were born to Jacob came out to be 70 people and together with Joseph's brothers and him are a generation. Reading beyond the scriptures is a cardinal sin in itself....
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"Crises of Conscience"
by Olivia Wilde ini just finished reading chapters 11-12 of raymond franz, crises of conscience & i must admit, i am pretty strong person, however the way ed dunlap & ray franz were treated left me crying, i had tears rolling done my eyes driving home from work on friday... & how ed was kicked out by wt, left me feel soo disgusted & outraged.... it was very obvious he needed to stay at bethel because of his age & medical conditions but i admired he didn't compromise his conscious, it's sickening to me how cold & callous these men can treat a christian after all his service.... & of course ray franz situation was no exception either, the witch hunt they did to get him out was, well, there's just isnt enough adjectives to describe their disgusting motives against him... he was 59 yrs old trying to make a honest living with his wife & for them to go after him was devious & demon like.... i'm soo grateful i came across this book & i wished i had much much sooner.... i know god will reward both ed dunlap & franz plus many many more who have been unjustly & unchristian like treated during that time & this time, sooo sickening.....i still feel very much upset & emotional over the whole thing .... i never met any of them & then yet i feel deep christian love for them......
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Olivia Wilde
I have to admit I moved from an English congregation to another language abt 8-10 years ago & i can assure you with all these "new light" changes have gotten lost in translation for me it wasn't that noticeable in a different language so I had to go back & read all of them in English to discover for myself all these "new light changes" it was eye opening to me to put one & 2 together, this prompted me reading this book... another thing I have notice since my awakening, i strongly believe that's why many who go to the eng are more aware of everything the WTBTS is doing & happening with major changes than in other language congregations, i notice they are more embracing & don't question it. -
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"Crises of Conscience"
by Olivia Wilde ini just finished reading chapters 11-12 of raymond franz, crises of conscience & i must admit, i am pretty strong person, however the way ed dunlap & ray franz were treated left me crying, i had tears rolling done my eyes driving home from work on friday... & how ed was kicked out by wt, left me feel soo disgusted & outraged.... it was very obvious he needed to stay at bethel because of his age & medical conditions but i admired he didn't compromise his conscious, it's sickening to me how cold & callous these men can treat a christian after all his service.... & of course ray franz situation was no exception either, the witch hunt they did to get him out was, well, there's just isnt enough adjectives to describe their disgusting motives against him... he was 59 yrs old trying to make a honest living with his wife & for them to go after him was devious & demon like.... i'm soo grateful i came across this book & i wished i had much much sooner.... i know god will reward both ed dunlap & franz plus many many more who have been unjustly & unchristian like treated during that time & this time, sooo sickening.....i still feel very much upset & emotional over the whole thing .... i never met any of them & then yet i feel deep christian love for them......
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Olivia Wilde
I just finished reading Chapters 11-12 of Raymond Franz, Crises of Conscience & i must admit, I am pretty strong person, however the way Ed Dunlap & Ray Franz were treated left me crying, i had tears rolling done my eyes driving home from work on friday... & how Ed was kicked out by WT, left me feel soo disgusted & outraged.... it was very obvious he needed to stay at bethel because of his age & medical conditions but I admired he didn't compromise his conscious, it's sickening to me how cold & callous these men can treat a Christian after all his service.... & of course Ray Franz situation was no exception either, the witch hunt they did to get him out was, well, there's just isnt enough adjectives to describe their disgusting motives against him... he was 59 yrs old trying to make a honest living with his wife & for them to go after him was devious & demon like.... I'm soo grateful I came across this book & i wished I had much much sooner.... i know God will reward both Ed Dunlap & Franz plus many many more who have been unjustly & unchristian like treated during that time & this time, sooo sickening.....i still feel very much upset & emotional over the whole thing .... i never met any of them & then yet I feel deep christian love for them.....
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badly handled from Elders
by Olivia Wilde ini am still attending the kh, i actually recently became aware of the ttatt, what i believed came as a huge surprised for me, i wasn't raised as a jw and have been for about 15 years.
i have always been a very open minded individual all my life always seeing both sides of any situation with logic and common sense and so i believe discovering all of the doctrines i have been taught sense 16 years of age, wasn't extremely hard for me to realize in my heart it was a lie.
well it was me discovering the watchtower society being a ngo member of the un nations for 10 years, after that the snowball just got bigger for me.
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@lisa rose what you say is perfectly explained as to what I'm experiencing, when u said about leveling makes perfect sense thank you for putting it that way..... i was married to a jw in my 20s, only dating & married within the yr of meeting, dating, etc...stupid decision really since it resulted in divorce within 5 yrs, i had a child, elders blamed me more for it, ignoring what my ex did to the marriage & me as his wife so I was the one to be DF, it was ok since I really didn't care at that time anymore.... i left him cuz he b came physically aggressive & didn't want my child to see that.... my ex hub parents are also JWS & they take, pickup & take care of my child while I'm working, he remarried & moved away so I depend alot of them babysitting or else I would have financial difficulties, gratefully they adore & love their grandchild & they are reasonable people & if i would disassociate u know what happens with that, they go to a different congregation but same hall & word gets around quickly... i can't depend on my family so that's why I keep going. ... i didn't go to mtgs for 3 weeks recently & not one elder call me to see if everything was ok with me, that in itself just made me pull away more...that's why I want my child to still have a relationship with the grandparents -
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badly handled from Elders
by Olivia Wilde ini am still attending the kh, i actually recently became aware of the ttatt, what i believed came as a huge surprised for me, i wasn't raised as a jw and have been for about 15 years.
i have always been a very open minded individual all my life always seeing both sides of any situation with logic and common sense and so i believe discovering all of the doctrines i have been taught sense 16 years of age, wasn't extremely hard for me to realize in my heart it was a lie.
well it was me discovering the watchtower society being a ngo member of the un nations for 10 years, after that the snowball just got bigger for me.
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Olivia Wilde
@Vidiot, actually I'm told by many that I'm very attractive & intimidating & that's why guys don't have the "courage" to talk to me
I do notice "sisters" not wanting me near them since I'm "threatening" according to them... but quite honestly I value more myself inside as a person, I'm usually referred by my family, non JWs as Spunky personality & goofy, but easy going & lover of right & wrong... i do workout & have an athletic slim body & my "clothing" has been an issue with "sisters" since they don't look the same on what I wear & judge me trying to "attract" attention a total mis-representation of the person I am inside.... i finally challenge an elder, when some complain" to show me proof on the bible that woman can't wear certain types of clothing, i always dress modest & just because certain things fit different on a size 2-4, me, than a 12 doesn't make it not modest of course after that he backed off even one elder during a meeting told me I should cover my legs, i was like What the Hell?... my response was "my skirt is below my knee & why are u looking at my legs?" (He is married), he just walked away.
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badly handled from Elders
by Olivia Wilde ini am still attending the kh, i actually recently became aware of the ttatt, what i believed came as a huge surprised for me, i wasn't raised as a jw and have been for about 15 years.
i have always been a very open minded individual all my life always seeing both sides of any situation with logic and common sense and so i believe discovering all of the doctrines i have been taught sense 16 years of age, wasn't extremely hard for me to realize in my heart it was a lie.
well it was me discovering the watchtower society being a ngo member of the un nations for 10 years, after that the snowball just got bigger for me.
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Olivia Wilde
Thank you all for your words I really appreciate it, I just need to slowly drift......., something happened this week's meeting though, during the discussion/talk of "family worship" the brother on the platform said "there was an Awake/Watchtower magazine that said if we don't have a family worship day most likely we won't make thru the great tribulation" I laughed for a second he made this comment thinking where is the scriptural evidence to support this?? since many scriptures says "the one calling on Jehovah's name will be saved".... my goodness, but I feel so lighter now that I am awakening and not allowing them to instill mind control fear in me since, the judger is NOT them! -
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badly handled from Elders
by Olivia Wilde ini am still attending the kh, i actually recently became aware of the ttatt, what i believed came as a huge surprised for me, i wasn't raised as a jw and have been for about 15 years.
i have always been a very open minded individual all my life always seeing both sides of any situation with logic and common sense and so i believe discovering all of the doctrines i have been taught sense 16 years of age, wasn't extremely hard for me to realize in my heart it was a lie.
well it was me discovering the watchtower society being a ngo member of the un nations for 10 years, after that the snowball just got bigger for me.
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I am still attending the KH, I actually recently became aware of the TTATT, what I believed came as a huge surprised for me, I wasn't raised as a JW and have been for about 15 years. I have always been a very open minded individual all my life always seeing both sides of any situation with logic and common sense and so I believe discovering all of the doctrines I have been taught sense 16 years of age, wasn't extremely hard for me to realize in my heart it was a lie. What did it for me? well it was me discovering the Watchtower Society being a NGO member of the UN nations for 10 years, after that the snowball just got bigger for me. In my present congregation I have been a victim of a vicious lie from a current JW, mind this person has consistently had a vicious agenda and vendetta against my person. I was DF years ago and as I was coming back this person, who I never knew that even existed or seen there or notice, started acting like a thugy bully from the hood, like I was trespassing this person's territory. This person was not to talk to me since I was DF, one elder heard this person making comments at me during a meeting, and I was summoned one meeting night to the back room during the meeting. 2 elders met with me and asked me if "anyone" was making bad comments to me, I explain yes and I didn't know this person from here or before and couldn't understand what the issue was since I don't know this person and anything about. I thought the issue was going to be handled, fast forward 3-4 years during this time this person acted continued acting this way, making comments at me, walking pass me, stare/glare at me and laugh with cynicism, I honestly thought this person was mentally ill, I ignored this person which made this person more angry that I didn't cave in to the mediocre things he/she was doing so this would provoke this person to keep trying to get a reaction, but nothing from me. I know this person spread rumors to others in the congregation about me that thank goodness one person told me, it was until last year this person did the unthinkable during a meeting & crossed the line, to which I told 1 Elder that same day and then 2 Elders met with me & I explain the situation. I thought they handled it I never heard back anything, then this year this person accused me of hitting her/him with "soo much force" it have this person a bruise. I was astounded and extremely indignant someone would lie in this manner, we agreed to meet with 2 elders. This person lied to my face and I come to find out this that "I did this" a year prior. I was OMGGGG, this person is mentally sick, vicious and evil. This person has extremely insecurity & complex issues and feels threatened by other better looking people. It's never been the same since for me, Elders know there was history of this person acting this way towards me and now "their hands are tied?" totally BSSS they know and not willing to do something more extreme towards this person, knowing he/she lied because I am guessing this person puts high $$ amounts on the contribution box in a check form so everyone knows its coming from this individual. (This person loves attention from everyone and wants everyone to keep him/her in high esteem) I am extremely sicken now when I raise my hand to comment during meetings and many times the only one I don't get called. I am extremely sick by the whole thing honestly. Eventually I know I will pull away after knowing the TTATT, I don't owe these people anything, only to God, as Ray Franz says. I already stop going door to door , I bet if many current JWs knew the "gentile times" have not even started and everything I was awakened by the facts, they would not even express the same urgency they do now. Jesus was right "the truth will set you free" and for the first time in a very long time I do feel free because I found out the truth about the truth & not being in fear of any earthly organization!!